Rod Smith NGNuk
Peter Ryde NGNuk
Andy May (CW)
Steve Best (BT)
Neil McArthur (CPW)
Marcus Webb (Vodafone)
Keith Greenfield (Orange)
Stuart Shutt (Orange) (Audio)
Marina Gibbs (Ofcom)
Gareth Davies (Ofcom)
Ed Rushton (Ofcom)
Phil Male (Thus)
Huw Saunders (KCOM)
Robyn Durie ( T-Mobile)
Steve Perry (Ofcom)
Chris Rowsell (Ofcom)
Apologies: Ben Philips (Sky), Mark Dalziel (NGNuk), Detlef Spang (Colt)
The minutes of the June meeting were approved. The updated actions are at the end of this document
At the March and June Exec meetings, Ofcom had led a discussion on how best to seek industry input towards a proposed NGN consultation as well as the Executive's views on specific questions. Gareth Davies and Ed Rushton attended the September Exec to provide feedback on the current status of the proposed consultation and to review with the Executive Ofcom's their views on those areas which the consultation may address.
A lengthy and constructive debate took place between the Executive on the views that Ofcom presented. Ofcom welcomed the feedback and agreed to provide a further update at the November Executive.
The Ofcom slides will be circulated to both the Executive and Participating members with these minutes.
Chris Rowsell and Steve Perry attended the Executive to provide an update on the Narrowband Market Review. The anticipated timescale at present is to issue information requests in December with a Wholesale ConDoc in January or February 2009. A final statement from Ofcom should be expected during Q3 3009 with NCC lagging this date due to the need for market reviews. Completion was still expected prior to the end of September 2009.
Key issues to be addressed during the process included:
Ofcom stressed that, as there are associated projects running in parallel, they would be seeking to ensure that all output was consistent across these linked work streams.
When the proposed minimum security standards were discussed at the June NGNuk Executive, the Exec favoured wider adoption of the standard rather than an initial focus around LLUO. It was recognised, however, that the limited membership of NGNuk would be an impediment to rapid progress on an industry wide basis. The Executive had therefore agreed with the Ofcom suggestion that the LLUOs were a defined subset which facilitated initial implementation and learning.
At the June Executive it was therefore agreed that OTA2 would be better placed to facilitate implementation amongst LLUOs rather than NGUK itself. This narrow implementation was referred to OTA2 for adoption. The NGNuk Exec agreed that legislation/General Condition was required to support any wider application beyond this.
The OTA2 Executive confirmed their organisations' support for the implementation of the minimum standard at the OTA2 Executive on 29th July subject to a better understanding of the implications of adoption. The implementation of the minimum security standard was discussed with Products and Commercial Group within OTA2 on 19th August and September.
The PCG agreed that any implementation had to fulfil the following conditions:
The PCG agreed that the aim of LLUOs should be to develop a "Code of Practice" which defines the levels to which elements of the NICC standard will be supported, within the context of a scope limited to physical security.
The aim is that over the next 4 weeks LLUOs will develop and identify:
This approach had been endorsed by OTA2 Exec; however, they had requested the OTA2 write to Ofcom to provide an update on progress but also to inform Ofcom of the OTA Executive's view that adoption beyond the limited Code of Practice would be impractical without supporting legislation. NGNuk concurred with this view. It was suggested, however, that OTA2 should also write to BERR as co-sponsor of the 12th May seminar.
A brief update on the Orange release of Interconnect Standards was provided. All proposed activity is now supported by sufficient operators with the exception of Item O (Instant Messaging) and Item X (A study on the use of CND for SMS Geographic numbers).
Peter Ryde raised the issue of NICC membership. NGNuk is not a member of NICC but does, on occasion, participate within the TSG and associated meetings. NGNuk had been written to about membership. Peter stated that he would approach NICC for 'observer' status similar to Ofcom but with a fall back to 'associate' if this could not be agreed. This approach was accepted by the Executive.
An outstanding action held over from earlier Exec meetings was a discussion amongst the Executive regarding work priorities for NGNuk. The input for this discussion included outstanding actions on the Exec, existing work items and direct input from Executive members. It was acknowledged prior to the discussion that a number of the priorities had been overtaken by events.
Ending of NCC - The Exec determined that this had been covered adequately during discussions with Ofcom on the proposed NGN consultation and NBMR. It was felt, however, that progress should be reviewed in 3 months time.
Reciprocity Agreements - The Exec determined that this had been covered adequately during discussions with Ofcom on the proposed NGN consultation and NBMR. It was again felt that progress should be reviewed in 3 months time.
A Level Playing Field for all CPs building NGNs - The Exec determined that this had been covered adequately during discussions with Ofcom on the proposed NGN consultation. It was felt, however, that progress should be reviewed in 3 months time.
Deep build of NGNs - The Exec determined that this had been covered adequately during discussions with Ofcom on the proposed NGN consultation and NBMR. It was felt, however, that progress should be reviewed in 3 months time.
BT Undertakings - It was not felt appropriate that NGNuk should consider this subject at this time but that it should be carried forward for future review.
SMPF and MPF - The question of whether industry should continue with SMPF was raised since there is no migration path from SMPF to MPF without moving wires. It was agreed that this item was outside the scope of NGNuk and should be referred to the OTA2 Executive.
Equivalence of Inputs from BT - It was agreed that this item was outside of the scope of NGNuk and should be referred to the OTA2 Executive. It was felt however, that progress should be reviewed in 3 months time.
Standard Interconnect Agreement - The Exec determined that this had been covered adequately via Consult 21.
Termination Charges - The Exec determined that this had been covered adequately during discussions with Ofcom on the proposed NGN consultation and NBMR. It was felt, however, that progress should be reviewed in 3 months time.
Quality of Service - The technical aspects of QoS are being developed within item T of the Orange release "Service Classifications and Management". It was agreed, however, that it is not yet appropriate to consider the commercial issues associated with these. It was also felt that progress should be reviewed in 3 months time.
Numbering and Addressing (Action 8 - 27/09/2007) - This action had been brought forward for some time. The Exec considered it should be closed.
There was insufficient time available to discuss the following items which will be carried forward to the next Executive meeting:
Action 1 - 25/09/08 - Peter Ryde to ensure that those items not discussed at the September meeting are included within the agenda for the November meeting and that those noted for future review are included within that for January
Budget Update
Rod Smith gave a brief update on costs versus budget and the status of member rebates.
Charging work
Peter Ryde reported that Ellare/Oxera had presented a paper to ITS in Rome based on their work for NGNuk. A paper will be circulated to the Executive and the NGNuk commercial group.
The next scheduled meeting was 10.00 to 14.00 on 27th November at Riverside House.
Rod Smith requested input from the Executive on items they felt should be considered at the September executive
Action 2 - 25/09/2008 - Executive on inform the Secretariat on any items they wish to be considered at the November Executive meeting
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Action 6 - 27/09/2007 - The secretariat to request feedback from the Exec members on their thoughts regarding the key aims and attributes of the service principles. These to be collated by the secretariat and represented for discussion at the October Executive meeting. Held pending Exec discussion on 2008 priorities and focus. Scheduled for discussion on 25th September | Secretariat Ongoing |
Action 8 - 27/09/2007 - The secretariat to request feedback from the Exec members on their thoughts regarding the key aims and attributes of the principles that need to be considered for Numbering and Addressing. These to be collated by the secretariat and represented for discussion at the October Executive meeting. Request sent to Exec, 2 responses. Held pending Exec discussion on 2008 priorities and focus. Scheduled for discussion on 25th September but not discussed | Secretariat Completed |
Action 1 - 13/12/2007 - Secretariat to provide their views (for discussion) at the January Exec on how the aims for 2008 outlined by the Exec will be achieved. Awaiting Exec output regarding 2008 priorities | Secretariat Closed |
Action 2 - 13/12/2007 - Exec members should table those initial policy areas they wish NGNuk to consider during 2008 at the January Exec. Scheduled for discussion on 25th September | Exec Closed |
Action 1 - 13/03/2008: Peter Ryde to liaise with Ofcom to schedule attendance, as appropriate, to provide feedback on the progress of the NGN consultation to the Exec. Gareth Davies has attended the April and June NGNuk Executives and scheduled to attend the September meeting | Peter Ryde Ongoing |
Action 4 - 13/03/2008 - NGNuk Secretariat to invite the appropriate Ofcom representative to attend the Exec to discuss the opportunity for the NGNuk Exec to provide pre-consultation input to the NBMR. Marina Gibbs advised that Chris Rowsell is leading this project. He will attend the September Executive | Secretariat Completed |
Action 5 - 13/03/2008 - Secretariat to meet with Participating members to outline the changes in approach and budget for 2008/9 and to provide reassurance , on behalf of the Exec , of their value to the NGNuk Exec. All Participating members were briefed | Secretariat Complete |
Action 1 - 24/04/2008 - Secretariat to develop a "terms of reference" briefing for the work to develop scenarios covering various products and services operating across varied networks and distribute to the Exec for comment. Incorporated with item T of NICC Orange release | Peter Ryde Closed |
Action 2 - 24/04/2008 - Secretariat to schedule a "one -off" work shop for members nominated delegates to develop the scenarios as detailed in the brief. . Incorporated with item T of NICC Orange release | Peter Ryde Closed |
Action 1 - 26/06/2008 - NGNuk Secretariat to brief OTA2 Executive members on the background and timeframe for the Minimum Security Standards. OTA Exec briefed at the July meeting | Secretariat Completed |
Action 2 - 26/06/2008 - The NGNuk Executive were asked to provide comment and views on the suggested plan of action to progress the commercial aspects of the minimum security standard. Agenda item at the September Executive | Executive Completed |
Action 3 - 26/04/2008 - Peter Ryde to provide Ofcom with details of which CP raised each discussion points considered by the Exec. This action was not completed | Peter Ryde Closed |
Action 4 - 26/06/2008 - Peter Ryde to publish the three charging documents on the NGNuk website but to ensure there is a clear explanation of what each document represents and the context of the work that was undertaken. Documents published in early July | Peter Ryde Completed |
Action 5 - 26/06/2008 - Exec members to give further consideration for their support of work items within the Orange release and to inform NICC TSG as appropriate | Executive Closed |
Action 6 - 26/04/2008 - Executive on inform (and brief) the Secretariat on any items they wish to be considered at the September Executive meeting | Executive Closed |
Action 1 - 25/09/08 - Ensure that those items not discussed at the September meeting are included within the agenda for the November meeting and that those noted for future review are included within that for January
Peter Ryde
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Peter Ryde