Attendees:
Clive Fedida (NGNuk) - Chair
Peter Ryde (NGNuk)
Andy May (Cable & Wireless)
Phil Kirby (Vodafone)
Steve Unger (Ofcom)
Phil Male (Thus)
Angus Flett (BT Wholesale)
Justin Fielder (Easynet)
Peter Agnew (COLT)
Stuart Shutt (Orange
Neil McArthur (Opal)
Robyn Durie (T-Mobile) (part time)
Davide Strusani (T-Mobile)
Apologies:
Huw Saunders (Kingston Communications)
Peter Black (NGNuk)
Alireza Mahmoodshahi (COLT)
Andy King (ntl Telewest)
AGENDA
1.1 Minutes - section 2.2 of the draft minutes was adjusted at the request of Angus Flett to stress that neither participation in the development nor the adoption of NGNuk recommendations was mandatory on members. He further clarified at the meeting that BT wanted to see NGNuk focus on the priority areas of the commercial framework and not have its efforts dissipated by possible scope creep.
1.2 Action - See outstanding actions update at the end of this document.
2.1 Membership - The Executive welcomed Neil McArthur (Opal) and Robyn Durie/Davide Strusani (T-Mobile) to the NGNuk Executive. Participating membership is also increasing although the secretariat felt there are still parts of the Industry not yet adequately represented. Discussions are underway with several other companies.
2.2 Associate Members - Meetings with Jacqui Brookes (FCS - the Federation of Communication Services) and Eli Katz (ITSPA - the Internet Telephony Service Providers Association) were both positive and the secretariat expects to continue to meet with both organisations and brief them on a regular basis.
2.3 Ofcom Modelling - A brief outline (see slides) of the NGN modelling work being conducted internally by Ofcom (as previously mentioned by Peter Black) was given. Steve Unger stressed that this was primarily to assist them in preparing for potential interventions and should not be regarded as a substitute for the NGNuk group performing their own analyses. The Secretariat hope to use some of this work to inform discussion within NGNuk and it is likely that some information from this work will be available to the group.
3.1 Feedback was received from BT, Vodafone and Thus and a summary was presented to the meeting (see slides). After some discussion about which issues were appropriate for NGNuk to submit a response to, a final list of areas was agreed as follows:
Phil Kirby volunteered to prepare a draft response letter on behalf of NGNuk for consideration by the Executive.
Action 1 - 28/9 - Phil Kirby volunteered to prepare a draft response letter to the EU Framework Consultation on behalf of NGNuk for consideration by the Executive.
4.1 Responses from Members - A summary of the Members' responses was presented (see slides). These were grouped into four areas covering physical interconnect, charges for services (voice being the most urgent), systems requirements to support interconnect and Process and Product.
4.2 Discussion on Scope - it was agreed that the work is not intended to cover the interim congruent pricing arrangements but is clearly aimed at the replacement charging model (RCM) which takes over from it. Several Members are expecting this work to be the replacement for NCC although Steve Unger pointed out that the scope was broader than NCC and also should not be thought of solely as relating to agreements with BT. Stuart Shutt asked and it was agreed that a framework for handling licensing of IPR (eg. for codecs) be included. Angus Flett proposed and it was agreed that Broadband Connect should not be part of the scope as this would be covered under Consult 21.
4.3 Way forward - The meeting supported work in the four areas identified (subject to the scope qualifications agreed above). The work will be carried out by a special commercial group which initially will operate in addition to the two workgroups already being set up for Network Capabilities and Transport Architecture. Peter Ryde agreed to draft an initial scope proposal by 6th October 2006. Members were asked to nominate individuals to join the workgroup.
Action 2 - 28/9 - Peter Ryde agreed to draft an initial scope proposal for the priority commercial issues workgroup by 6th October 2006.
Action 3 - 28/9 - Executive Members were asked to nominate individuals to join the priority commercial issues workgroup via their Programme Board representatives.
5.1 Reference Services - this work is underway with industry leads for Real Time Services and Data Services. At the meeting, Angus Flett offered to seek a nomination for Streaming Services and Phil Male similarly for Near Real Time Services. Note: since the meeting, an industry lead nomination for Near Real Time Services has been offered by Orange.
5.2 Programme Board - Terms of reference for the Programme Board have been drafted and reviewed at the first meeting on 20th September 2006. Programme Board attendees were actioned to nominate commercial/product and technical representatives to join the Network Capabilities and Transport Architecture workgroups by 6th October 2006.
5.3 Network Capabilities and Transport Architecture workgroups - initial meeting dates are being targeted for mid-October and will be confirmed at the Programme Board on 3rd October. Draft scope and deliverables statements for the workgroups are in preparation and will be reviewed by the Programme Board prior to seeking Executive agreement at the next meeting on 26th October 2006.
6.1 Green release scope - A further iteration of discussion on requirements prioritisation was held on 25th September and the latest status presented to the meeting (see slides). Some of the requirements discussed plus some of NGN agreed priorities require clearer definition e.g. Voice Line Access to split PSTN/ISDN. TSG/NICC will under take this work by mid October 2006. Further input from NGNuk will be required after this date.
6.2 Resource requirements - Paul Rosbotham (NICC) could not identify any specific resource issues with respect to the Green Relase although these could emerge as the detailed work develops. He did express concerns that some areas of NICC are under-represented by CPs. The NGNuk secretariat are to attend the NICC Board meeting on 10th October at which time the resource availability from the Green Release can be discussed. Phil Male suggested that Huw Saunders may from his wide experience be able to comment on likely resourcing issues.
7.1 ITU-T Rec. M.3343 issue (Angus Flett) - Angus Flett asked NGNuk Members to review the issue statement (attached) which relates to ITU proposals for Trouble Administration functions for the Business to Business and Customer to Business interfaces in support of NGNs. If adopted, BT feels the change of direction from current UK work will result in extra costs being incurred by BT and possibly Industry. Interested Members were asked to engage directly with the ITU standards process.
7.2 21 CN-MSA contract - Angus Flett apologised that he had not progressed this since the discussion at the last meeting and undertook to do so.
7.3 Number Portability Consultation - although at the last meeting several members supported the idea of setting a backstop implementation date earlier than 2012, Ofcom has since confirmed that they do not expect to make any change to this date.
8.1 The next meeting will be 10.00 to 14.00 on 26th October 2006 at Riverside House.
8.2 Future scheduled meetings:
DATE | MEETING | TIME |
26/10/2006 | NGNuk Meeting | 10.00 - 14.00 |
30/11/2006 | NGNuk Meeting | 10.00 - 14.00 |
14/12/2006 | NGNuk Meeting | 10.00 - 14.00 |
Clive Fedida
NGNuk Office
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Outstanding Action List:
Action 3 - 26/6 - Peter Black undertook with the help of Ofcom to take the necessary steps to apply for registration of the 'NGNuk' logo.27/7 - Application for registration of the NGNuk logo is in preparation by Ofcom. Steps have already been taken to secure URLs 'ngnuk.org.uk' and 'ngnuk.co.uk'. Unfortunately, 'ngnuk.com' is already reserved. 28/9 - The application was registered at the beginning of September and the trademark attorneys are now waiting for the trademark office to process it. This normally takes about 6 weeks, so we should hear something in about 2-3 weeks. Ongoing | NGNuk Secretariat 27/7/2006 |
Action 1 - 27/7 - Peter Black asked members to review the relevant papers on the public consultation on the future of the electronic communications regulatory framework and the draft recommendation on Relevant Products and Service Markets within the electronic communication sector and provide comments to the NGNuk Office by 8th September 2006. The consolidated NGNuk response will be reviewed as an agenda item at the September meeting (28th September 2006). 31/8 - The meeting clarified that NGNuk will submit a response to the EU if it is agreed there are substantive issues affecting the work of NGNuk (the deadline for responses is 27th October 2006). Hence Members are asked to feedback only comments that affect the work of NGNuk. Action Due 8/9/2006. 28/9 - Feedback received from three Executive Members (see summary in meeting slides). Discussion and follow on action covered under agenda item. CLOSED | NGNuk Executive Members 8/9/206 |
Action 7 - 27/7 - Clive Fedida to investigate aligning NGNuk definitions and nomenclature for Reference Services with 3GPP where appropriate. 31/8 - The Secretariat has asked Stuart Shutt for the details of 3GPP work he referred to at the last meeting. 28/9 - The Reference services work is now underway and contributors will be asked to table all relevant existing work from standards bodies. CLOSED | Clive Fedida 11/8/2006 |
Action 1 - 31/8 - NGNuk Secretariat to forward EU studies documents to Executive Members. 28/9 - Done. CLOSED | NGNuk Secretariat Asap |
Action 2 - 31/8 - NGNuk Secretariat to amend plan of work proposal to reflect commercial and technical streams running in parallel throughout the entire programme. 28/9 - Revised Plan of Work proposal published to all Members on 11/9/2006 by email. CLOSED | NGNuk Secretariat Asap |
Action 3 - 31/8 - The Executive Members are invited to consider whether they can nominate a subject matter specialist to act as Industry Lead in drafting the set of service characteristics for any of the four Reference Services namely: • Real Time Person-to-Person (e.g. voice calls, video calls, conference calls etc) • Near Real Time Interactive Services (e.g instant messaging , press to talk etc) • Streaming Services (e.g Live radio, Live TV, Video on Demand etc) • Data Connection Services (e.g IP, Ethernet etc) 28/9 - Nominations received for Real Time services (Paul Griffin C&W) and Data services (Peter Agnew COLT, Laurent Lavallee Easynet). Angus Flett offered to seek a nomination for Streaming services and Phil Male similarly for Near Real Time services. Note: since the meeting, an industry lead nomination for Near Real Time Services has been offered by Orange. Ongoing | NGNuk Executive Members 8/9/2006 |
Action 4 - 31/8 - The Executive Members agreed to identify the commercial issues/requirements to be addressed immediately. 28/9 - Feedback received from three Executive Members (see summary in meeting slides). Discussion and follow on actions covered under agenda item. CLOSED | NGNuk Executive Members 8/9/2006 |
Action 5 - 31/8 - The NGNuk Secretariat to draft Terms of Reference for the Programme Board by 8th September 2006 for approval by the NGNuk Executive. 28/9 - Draft Terms Reference for the Programme Board circulated on 7/9/2006. CLOSED | NGNuk Secretariat 8/9/2006 |
Action 6 - 31/8 - NGNuk Executive Members to nominate representatives for the Programme Board (inaugural meeting 20/9/2006) by 8th September 2006. 28/9 - Nominations received and first meeting held 20/9/2006. CLOSED | NGNuk Executive Members 8/9/2006 |
Action 7 - 31/8 - Green Release Requirements: Peter Ryde to solicit further feedback from Executive and Participating Members with a particular focus on reaching a consensus on the areas of disagreement. 28/9 - Done (see update under agenda item). CLOSED | Peter Ryde 28/9/2006 |
New Action List
Action 1 - 28/9 - Phil Kirby volunteered to prepare a draft response letter to the EU Framework Consultation on behalf of NGNuk for consideration by the Executive. | Phil Kirby 6/10/2006 |
Action 2 - 28/9 - Peter Ryde agreed to draft an initial scope proposal for the priority commercial issues workgroup by 6th October 2006. | Peter Ryde 6/10/2006 |
Action 3 - 28/9 - Executive Members were asked to nominate individuals to join the priority commercial issues workgroup via their Programme Board representatives. | Members 6/10/2006 |
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